American Entrepreneur Off the Wall | Episode 8 - Chris Pastrana and Brandon Stephens

Brandon Stephens 00:38

Usually you get through three quarters of the year and then Q4 is just down one time. . Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's, you're supposed to end it on strong note, Chris. Let's

Chris Pastrana 00:46

hope for that. Yeah, absolutely. So as of the beginning of this year, um, kinda, I guess just updates, uh, flex Work's doing pretty good, you know, a bunch of new tenants. Um, we're pretty much full back up, which is what I always. December, it's always terrible. January, everyone starts moving back in. And then by February we're pretty much full again. Um, still working on virtual offices. I've been getting that, but hired someone to do our marketing. Um, so our marketing is going out more consistently, which is good.

It's what I wanted. And, uh, yeah, so I'm, as far as flex first go, I'm, I'm pretty happy. And then, uh, The real topic of conversation for tonight other than Neo Flex work is ai. Mm-hmm. . So strike fear, clothing and apparel is doing very interestingly because now one of my shortcomings is being met through, um, mid Journey or AI art generation ,

Brandon Stephens 01:45

which you, which my God, dude. Oh, you, when you go on Future tools.ao. And for anybody listening, that's a great directory for AI tools is Future tools ao. So many of these tools are gonna kill off different jobs. And I mean, it's like people, it's, it's interesting because you basically, what you're using AI for is to replace a graphic designer. Yeah. And I'm not saying that it's completely out of the question, like it completely kills off graphic design, but you don't need a full-time one anymore because if you were to hire one, it would only be to do tweak.

Chris Pastrana 02:18

Correct. Absolutely. And so this is actually a really fun part of the conversation to, uh, get into either now or later on mm-hmm. um, but jobs that are, you know, not, not outsourced, but kind of made irrelevant at this point. Um, so we can get into that one later on. Let's talk about AI a little bit. Cause you mentioned, you mentioned future. What was the

Brandon Stephens 02:43

future? Future tools.io. Future Tools directory, constantly updated of a bunch of different, they have, what was it, seven? I'm on it right now. So yeah, on the screen, 784 tool AI tools that it's listed under different categories and they constantly update it. Yeah, so you can go there, get, you can choose a bunch of, uh, different, what they have. So they have like directories, like AI detection for fun, image scanning, productivity, Texas Speech Pro.

I won't go through all these, but I Yeah, you what I'm saying? Everything from self-improvement to finance and Yeah. Modeling and all that stuff. Like they have, uh, um, obviously.ai I found on there once, which is an. Tool that allows you to build predictable insights for your company, such as revenue modeling. Hmm. Um, turnover, credit risk scoring for your company. Like if you're a company that is based off of people's credit for some reason. Yeah. Like you do that, like, uh, you can actually create a predictable risk scoring model based on. Your past data that you've collected from credit, right? Yeah. And you can use that number, obviously ai, you can use that with revenue to find out like your biggest customers, you're losing customers, you know, the type of profile that fits 'em.

And it can go deep. So I won't get into it, but they have everything from like generated image to deep business insights on here. Yeah.

Chris Pastrana 03:58

Yeah. So let's, let's get real basic. What's.

Brandon Stephens 04:02

Artificial intelligence. All right, good.

Chris Pastrana 04:04

That's super basic. Good For those who don't know what that is, , um, essentially computers, doing computer stuff that I don't understand, which is most things, uh,

Brandon Stephens 04:12

Yeah. Humanized computer stuff by robots. Yeah.

Chris Pastrana 04:16

So, uh, super interested in this because again, I kind of dove into the other day when I found Mid Journey. Yeah. And I've been playing with. Ton and it's drastically helped out a few of my businesses already, just from being able to generate new ideas to being able to generate, you know, different forms of art for apparel. All those things. And a lot of it's really good just to like jog the creative senses a little bit. You know what I mean? So I've been creating ads for flexwerk so I can put out more advertisements and more social media marketing, and all I'm doing is punching it into mid journey and it gives me a bunch of examples and then, yeah,

Brandon Stephens 04:56

that's good. Just keep talking. I'll tell Yeah. No, no, I get up. There's, there's a software in here. You're talking about doing ads, like there's a software and future tools that I saw the other day that was. Generates ads from your website, like you can literally put in. That's awesome. Yeah, it's just insane. So I'll pull that up. Yeah.

Chris Pastrana 05:14

Oh, that's awesome. Um, so yeah, just being able to create new advertisements, new artwork, new focuses and directions in a way that I'm not great at. It's always been a struggle. So now that I'm able to do some of that, you know, I've been turning the businesses up a hundred percent just going uhhuh. Right? So that's been awesome. Um, yeah. So how are using stuff so far?

Brandon Stephens 05:41

Well, I'm, like we talked about earlier, I was using, uh, I'll pull it off. I gave, they, they, they have two things in their name slides. Slides, ai.il. I, I almost forget that. But basically you can create present Google PowerPoint presentations and seconds based on text. Yeah. So instead of trying to align everything perfectly, and instead of trying to come up with image ideas or the perfect looking power, um, presentation, you just literally type in text, right? Yeah. And then it will auto generate a p pre, uh, PowerPoint for you, which you can then edit as you please. And 90% of the time, Edit the text if you want it to say something different.

Yeah. And it's like it, it's before, I don't know about you, but for me, presentations took a minute. Maybe it's my adhd, who knows. But it took a minute and now it's like you just boom. Done. And then you just go through it because you basically just tell it what you want. Yeah. Um, I also, and this is also just back up a lot of the AI tools I. Are either market research based or they solve me being an A D H D crazy person. Right, right. So like, um, another AI tool I use is Otter and it's called, let Me Get the Actual Otter Do ai. It's. speech. Mm-hmm. , I have the app on my phone. I click the button, pull up the app, and I talk to it. Mm-hmm. And it takes anything I say in it and it puts, it, just writes it out for me.

It's very good at it. Right. A lot of these softwares suck for text to speak. I mean like speech. Text, this one's very good at it, and then I can edit it and publish it and put it in notes and create books out of it and all this other crazy stuff because it's really good at understanding what I'm actually saying. Right. Yeah. And I think there's a level, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there's a level of otter where you can use it to annotate like Zoom meetings and different stuff where it kind of joins it with you. Um mm-hmm. , or that could be another one. I haven't looked that deep, but it's for me. Being able to come up with a Facebook post or a Instagram post or something like that by just talking into Otter and then taking that, copying it and pasting it on social media.

Mm-hmm. was very helpful. Yeah. Um, especially for my A D H D. Another one I tried, which I like. . It's not the one I stuck with cuz I do slides, um, ai.io. But I originally started out with something called, I think it's Tome, tome app. Tom, let me get the actual thing. Tom? Yes. tom.app. So t o m e dot a p. Now that that. Website will create an entire PowerPoint presentation based off a keyword or a topic. Mm-hmm. like text and everything like slides you put in the text. You want it to separate out into PowerPoints, right? Yeah. Home. You just type in the topic and it will auto generate. Everything right now that's good and bad because I mean, you still gotta go and you should personalize and edit exa, et cetera, but it gives you a starting point.

But I like slides side ai, so I'll use that one. Um, for market research, I use one, um, called feedly.com. Yeah. Which basically allows me to train an AI algorithm called leo, which basic. As you train the little robot thing, over time it will feed you the exact, like basically think of Feedly as the world's biggest news and keyword aggregator. Yeah. And it will feed you exactly what you want it to. Mm-hmm. . So the minute something happens like news down to the minute something happens in any type of. One of its millions of metrics that you've wanted to target. Yeah. I get it fed into my board or my folder in Feedly. Mm-hmm. and I can be notified on slack of yada, yada, yada, whatever.

Yeah. Like we can build this thing out to be crazy brilliant for market research, spotting trends, you know, figuring out the way mergers, acquisitions, funding events, all that different stuff. So I use Feedly almost every single day. Yeah. Yeah, those would be like the main ones I use at the moment pretty

Chris Pastrana 09:38

heavily. That's, that's awesome. And what I really like about, it's what you had mentioned, h adhd. Mm-hmm. and, uh, some problems that, you know, everyone has their own personal limitations. And what I've really been getting into with, you know, the whole AI craze is being able to find tools to. Fight back against those limitations. Right? So it's a great way of, you know, instead of me going out, like I said, hiring a graphic designer for hundreds and thousands of dollars per image that I want to generate and not guaranteed to have something that sells very well. .

Brandon Stephens 10:20

Mm-hmm. , um,

Chris Pastrana 10:23

You have a tool. So they're really reducing the barrier to entry on a lot of industry. And so I've seen, cuz I've, now that I've been diving into it, you know a lot of people who are really upset with this and some people who really see the benefit of it. And I see both sides, you know, you can see how yes, is it gonna hurt graphic designers. Sure. Um, is,

Brandon Stephens 10:44

well, here's the interesting part about that, is it also opens up, I mean, yes, it takes away jobs, but what they don't realize is it opens up jobs. There's always a given take to these things. Like Absolutely. With the same amount of jobs it takes away, it opens up in a new industry. So instead of a graphic designer, you become an AI designer. , right? You, you figure out the prompts to generate the thing you want to generate, and then you sell your services to help the person use it to generate what they want to generate.

It's just gonna be a different demographic. Or go figure out how to build the app that does it and put it on a subscription basis.

Chris Pastrana 11:15

Yep. And I can tell you from experience, um, all ai, it doesn't matter how good it is currently. Have huge flaws, right? Mm-hmm. , so mid journey cannot do hands , and a lot of times the faces come out really crazy. Right? Right. So that's an area where, again, a graphic designer could go in, fix images. And then boom. There you go. You have a market, right?

Brandon Stephens 11:42

Oh, this is, this is the one I wanted you to check out. I saw it the other day. And so full transparency, I've not actually tested this. Yeah. I just, they have a really good website, which means it could be a really cool software. Um, yet, and it looks neat. Yeah. It's called add. So AD creative ai. And allows you to create ad and social media creatives at scale with artificial intelligence. Like it's, it's specifically designed for that. Cool. Awesome. I've checked that out. Yeah, and that's because of what you said earlier about ads and AI for social media.

So I have not used it, but it looks. pretty well put together. So test it out. Let me know if you like it. Yeah, definitely.

Chris Pastrana 12:22

So I was thinking about this the other day and I had a really funny, like we were talking about, everyone's always worried about them losing their job, them losing, uh, their niche, their market, all those things, right? and you know, so I was thinking about it and about jobs that you would've seen a couple hundred years ago that don't exist anymore. So I was thinking about those poor carrier pigeon handlers who don't have jobs anymore. Right? things always go away, you know, and, uh, you have to adjust to it, you know? And just because there's AI out there that can do it, one doesn't mean everyone's gonna.

and two, just because you have it doesn't make you successful. So there's always a market for people that get in there and hustle. . Mm-hmm. .

Brandon Stephens 13:10

So, and then it's like ai, AI companies are just, uh, um, going through the roof now. There's that one do not pay. Yeah. Um, where they're, they basically, they were in the news the other day. Basically, they partnered with a lawyer to use AI to fight an entire case. Oh, employer, like, I don't know, I could be off of this number, but I think somewhere in the seven figures range. Mm-hmm. , uh, to basically shut up and let the AI not, and let the AI argue on the lawyer's behalf. Yeah. And I was like, wow.

That's awesome. All right. That's interesting. Um, so they're do not pay. Do not pay, is they, they do a lot of different things. Yeah. Not just ai, but they're the ones who facilitated that. . Um, and they were in the news for ai. Um, and then there's a company that I found on future tools, and this was an interesting one for ai. Um, they're not live yet. They're, they're in the process. Um, it's called AI Tax, and it's an ai company, ai tax.com, which is being created and built to automatically file tax returns through ai, which I knew was coming. Yeah.

Chris Pastrana 14:21

Hmm. My girlfriend's not gonna want to hear that one. . I was

Brandon Stephens 14:24

thinking of that. I was thinking of that. Right. But no, no, no. Here's, here's my, here's my pushback to that. Yeah. Yeah. I've always seen. No, and this is, if she listens to this, this is not her. Cause I, I haven't used her. I don't know how she acts, but this is just me in general. Right. So let's get that. Yeah, I gotcha. I love her. She's, she's awesome. But, um, in general, there are two types of bookkeepers slash accountants. Mm-hmm. , there are the ones who do the bare minimum. and there are the ones who act like consultants. Yeah. The ones who act like consultants will not lose their jobs to ai. Yeah. The ones who do the absolute bare minimum will. Mm-hmm.

That's my pushback with it. Mm-hmm. is if you go in as an accountant or these, and then it could be any industry that AI goes, you're right. Because AI is still a robot. It's not a human, it doesn't have cognitive experience. So if you can upgrade yourself to be a consultant Yeah. And provide your own in, you know, inner value to something, rather than just do the transaction of that something, or the, you know, like what should be filing taxes or following methods that can easily be learned by ai.

Then you have a case to continue to be good at what you do and keep your job if you do the bare minimum. Which is there's no value add. Yeah. Then yes, AI is probably gonna beat you out in the future.

Chris Pastrana 15:50

I'm actually curious if, cause once the government gets involved, it gate keeps everything. So I'm curious if, um, the government will ever allow AI to take over something like taxes,

Brandon Stephens 16:07

Well, I. You have. I mean, another thing, I'm not gonna name them on here because stuff I've gone through and because it's specifically they do with investments and don't want people thinking it's investment advice. But the funny thing is AI has been around in the hedge fund world for a very long time. Yeah. And people don't realize that like AI went mainstream last year. Yeah. But AI is not. AI has been around in the financial markets for a very long time when it comes to funds. Like I know, I personally know a gentleman who was working with AAI in his hedge fund since the late nineties. , right? Yeah. AI has been around and what, and of course it's com it looks different back then, right?

There's different, AI means different things at that level, but over time it's, it's not new to the financial world. What has come out recently is a bunch of technology that has been proven over the past decade to be able to predict things such as market movements and stocks and crypto and different, like fluctuations in the market to get. Returns and they're AI-driven tools, which is, um, AI-driven tools with reinforcement learning. , which means it's AI reinforcement learning. Basically the smallest level is, is AI that can learn from itself and data and machine learning. And over time when you put in the financial markets, which is regulated by the government heavily.

Yeah. Um, Hedge fund, like it's come down from the hedge fund world to that these tools are available for a lot of different people to use now to pick their own stocks and pick their own crypto and pick their own portfolios, invest in their own trends and whatever, and use these tools. And the government hasn't regulated those tools, is what I'm trying to say. Hmm. So I don't think. The financial world has been, if AI has been in the financial world for a very long time. Yeah. And it is slowly and it's gone mainstream. Mm-hmm. and it still hasn't been regulated in the financial world, even with tools like that existing for several years now. Yeah. I don't think, I would almost think they would go for those tools before they went for taxes.

Hmm. That's my opinion on that. I don't think they've, for AI driven taxes yet, because it's a, it's you. you for financianal, for most, for financial incentives, you have to be, well, you should be an investment advisor, registered investment hire r i a or, or you have your series, uh, I think your's series seven and 60, or series 65, whatever they're mm-hmm. Um, unless you're a hedge fund in invest, uh, unless you run a hedge fund on an only performance basis, that's how you get around that. But for giving an investment advice, you need a series technically. Yeah. When you buy or purchase one of these tools, they're giving predictions on what you should invest in.

So you think, now obviously there are smarter people than me that have loopholes to that stuff. Mm-hmm. , but you'd think that if the government solved AI as a threat to that or as, oh, so and so Joe Blow, who a is going to get this tool and then dump all their life savings into a stock based on this data that this company gives, this company should be regulated. You'd think they would be the first ones to tackle, because the people there, anybody who finds them are at R, you know, are subjective to those indicators, right? Yeah. Like they see it, then they're gonna pull the trigger on it with human nature. Um, . So I would think the financial markets would be the first to be tackled in that case.

Yeah. Uh, and then if anything, they'd go for taxes. So, eh, but they haven't, right? Yeah. AI for tax has not been around AI for financial markets Has, and they still haven't gone after it for it for financial markets. Hmm.

Chris Pastrana 19:56

Maybe. Yeah, I mean it, yeah, I mean, it's a good point. It'd be interesting to see what they do. Cause I can only imagine the idea of, you know,

Brandon Stephens 20:07

people

Chris Pastrana 20:10

getting to keep more of their money. The government's not super fond of that. .

Brandon Stephens 20:14

Well, I can, I could even, I could even go into for the rabbit hole here, but beyond, we're going to Elvin the next decade. I'm in some really. I've, so I've shifted a lot of my social media, consumer edge to Twitter. Yeah. Yeah. And I have met some absolutely brilliant people on Twitter. Yeah. And made some really good friendships with people that probably have more money and insight to things going on in life than I ever will. And I, uh, and I use enough technology that I have a decent amount of insight of things.

Yeah. And I'm. Let's just say from some things I've seen, there's, we might not have the same tax system at the end of the next decade that we have currently today, based on some Makes sense going around. Yeah. That could completely shift everything going on in the world. Hmm. So worrying about. The regulation of taxes. Yeah, they probably will. If, if I'm, there's, there's a lot of good data behind why I just said that. Um hmm. But that's another reason why I won't think they won't attack the tax system because it could drastically change anyways. And if it changes the way that it's predicted to change in the next decade, everything would be absolutely automated on the transaction as it happens.

Okay, so there wouldn't be a. for somebody else to file your taxes accordingly. Like that? Yeah. Unless you just wanted money back and then it would be credit based. Now that's a whole new, A lot of people would be like, what did Brandon just say? Mm-hmm. . But it's what, it would take me way too long to get into it. But I just wanna say having, being in those circles of. Politicians and government officials and high net worth individuals who know what's going on in the economy. Mm-hmm. , what can I do? This is a topic I've seen come up and come up and come up and come up and actually have prediction dates for it. And it narrows down to the entire tax system could change drastically within the next 10 years.

Yeah. To a fully atta like automated system. Mm-hmm. . Hmm. That'd be interesting

Chris Pastrana 22:17

to see. Hmm. Anyway. it kinda, not a whole lot of, not a lot to go from there. So, hard segue, hard segueway, .

Brandon Stephens 22:30

No, that's fine. That's fine. We're good talking about that for hours, but I don't want, yeah,

Chris Pastrana 22:33

absolutely. So back to ai. Mm-hmm. So what do you think all of it's going because the way AI is right now, it's not, it's not actually artificial intelligence, it's just, you know, computer programs. generators, that type of stuff. Um, what do you think it goes in five, 10 years with everything we have now?

Brandon Stephens 22:57

Um, that's a big

Chris Pastrana 23:00

question. Yep. Because now it's more of a, cuz it actually becomes sentient and, you know, hunt us all down Skynet style or do we get, uh,

Brandon Stephens 23:12

No, I don't believe . So I, it's interesting because it could easily, I, I believe we're always gonna be a couple clicks away from that happening, but it will never happen. Yeah. Because the government, if they're, they have their foothold enough on companies and everything going on because they, for that to happen, it would have to be a big enough company that would go public Yeah. To be able to. produce that, right? Mm-hmm. and the government is not gonna, like, if it goes public now we have involvement with the government and well, I mean, those two things are not gonna happen. Like the government is not gonna let a company that's developing that type of software to go to, to even keep itself at that level, should it spot it, right?

Yeah. So it's like anything at that level would have to go public. It would not, pretty much, in my opinion, would not remain private. And then once it goes public, everybody has their eyes on it. Everybody in general, period. Even the government has their eyes on it. Mm-hmm. because it's now something you can invest in. And the government is, uh, if once it has its eyes on it is not gonna allow that to happen, period. So we're always gonna be a couple clicks away, unless we can have some private company that runs under the radar for years on end. Mm-hmm. that never goes public develop it, but there's going to be signs of it that the government will intervene in.

So I don't see it ever going the Skynet route, however. , I think, um, it's gonna get really interesting. Yeah. Because a lot of the digital, what was really interesting to me is we believe that all these modern day jobs would be ta taking, TA would be killed off by ai. Yes. But most of the digital jobs as what is getting eaten by. So we're still, so for AI to advance into the right now, look at all the ai, what is most ai? focused on digital actions for digital companies and digital pieces of companies and digital things, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. , the next level of AI is to be able to build artificial intelligence at scale for physical actions and actually put it into robots to do things, right?

Yeah. Mm-hmm. . So the next level of AI is that, which is crossing the, is crossing the border from AI now to AI in real. Yeah. And being able to connect it to real life activities and not just generate my ads or generate text or generate this or manage this data and things like that, or predict this outcome. It's going to be, um, putting AI in a physical form or into machinery or into smart homes and intelligence and things like that. So I predict in the, over the next 10 years, it's just go, it's just gonna upgrade to a physical version because that's gonna take a minute. Right? Yeah. , it took us this long to have one month or one year where it all exploded on this surface and we're just scratching the surface.

So now it's gonna take a decent amount of time, it's gonna be more accelerated, but now it's the next step, um, as like we're not anything close to Skynet, in my opinion. Yeah.

Chris Pastrana 26:24

Okay. Yeah, and you can see that cuz like I said, right now we have, you know, mid journey. Future tools, everything that you kind of, all the stuff we talked about, but like who's cleaning the windows, who's doing the carpentry? You know, so when you get to that point, then you'll have, like you said, machines that can actually, you know, do plumbing or do this, that or the other thing. And that's gonna take, like you said, time.

Brandon Stephens 26:50

Yeah. That's not coming soon. I'm not saying, I'm not saying it can't come in our lifetime. I'm just, there's two. It's a lot easier to develop AI that works online than it is to then develop AI and produce AI that works in robotics. Yeah.

Chris Pastrana 27:07

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that'll be even in, even if you do, like, you'll still have a lot of job opportunities and people always jump to like maintaining the equipment. Yeah. That's one end of it, but. I guarantee you there's still gonna, people who just outta spite won't use an AI carpenter or an AI plumber. They're

Brandon Stephens 27:29

gonna people most, most of it. You gotta understand. Most of it. People think immediately like this is gonna go to some world future stuff. It's gonna, the first physical version of AI is gonna come out as assistance. Mm-hmm. , the job replacements, it's going to assist the people doing the jobs. Yeah. And it's gonna be marketed towards the people doing the jobs, not the people who need the jobs.

Chris Pastrana 27:49

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Especially in the beginning, you know, because I don't know, especially nowadays with, you're always hearing, um, we can't find people for this job. We can't find people for this job. There's so many industries suffering for people that, you know, and especially for some of these jobs, be

Brandon Stephens 28:08

artificial. Um, asci, artificial AI assisted. Machine assisted work. Mm-hmm. for physical jobs, once they can put out in robots to do things. Um, because it's gonna be a while. So, yeah. No, that there's, there's always gonna be, they will try to go that route because of the labor shortage and people getting crazy about nev not having enough, being able to hire people, not working. But what's gonna, what I foresee happening is, and you gotta figure it out, a lot of people don't wanna work in the trades because it's hard work.

Yeah. But what happens? when we introduce AI to alleviate some of that hard work, but keep the jobs open the same as they are. Yeah. More people are gonna come back to working for the trades. Mm-hmm. , because now they get to have, now they get to work in trades without killing themselves. Yeah. And that's where we're gonna see the revolution of AI assisted trades and that type of work come in, I believe, anyways.

Yeah. And

Chris Pastrana 29:03

then we have like no doc A from Spider. Yes. So then you'll have like, Hey, I have to do this job, but you have extra hands, you know, and you can have Yeah. You know, that type of AI generate, you know, do all the extra stuff. Cause I dunno how many jobs I've been on. I'm like, God, I wish I had a third hand or a fourth one. You know, there's a speed things up and uh, yeah. So I think that would be a. Realistic for the next like 10, 15

Brandon Stephens 29:28

years? Yeah. And uh, probably, honestly, they'll, probably, before it goes too physical in the us, AI will prob, you'll probably see the first iteration iterations of physical robotics based AI and, uh, the military. Yeah. Well

Chris Pastrana 29:44

that's typically where it

Brandon Stephens 29:45

comes. Yeah, I was gonna say, because they probably have, actually, they probably have it now, . Yeah. If I was to, to take a wild guess, I've seen some things, but um, and then over time it gets de weaponized and put into actual Every day. Yep. Like every day.

Chris Pastrana 30:04

Yeah. It's typically the road it goes.

Brandon Stephens 30:07

They're like, they're like, they try it on the most dangerous out outlook. Outlook of it first. So they're like, Hey, can I kill people with this? Mm-hmm. . And then they're like, how do we keep this from killing people? And then you give it to the general population. Yep. So how

Chris Pastrana 30:18

do you make it a little bit safer and then off it goes. Yes. Yeah. . So you see it. Cars. That's a big industry like automotives. Um, You mean you already kind of see it with flight, so you've got like flight control type stuff. Um, then you'll see it in, like you said, definitely in the military, making soldiers more effective. Mm-hmm. , you know, with either heads up displays or something that kind of like, Auto fires almost, you know what I mean?

Mm-hmm. , increase accuracy, increase performance, you know, stuff like that. And then you'll, you'll see it trickle down to like all the other

Brandon Stephens 30:57

stuff. So one thinks one of the industries that's gonna, um, I don't wanna say obliterate, but is going to have to, one industry that's going to have to drastically upgrade themselves is therapy. Yeah. There are apps on the market right now. So basically it allows you to build a database of your life. Mm-hmm. and integrate with the database of like common because of like common therapists and psychologists based knowledge, et cetera. Mm-hmm. , and then you talk to it and the AI helps you a figure out your problems.

Right? Yeah. That is an industry that is going to have to drastically change to a, to either adopt. and, and to AI assisted therapy. Mm-hmm. , where there are humans on demand as part of the ai, which you can click a button and talk to, or is going to get run over by a, by a therapy, a focused tech company.

Chris Pastrana 31:50

Yeah, that's an interesting conversation because this is where we get into the politics of

Brandon Stephens 31:57

all of this. Yep. Because now if you're using an AI focused therapist or an AI for your therapy, then information and suggestions it's giving you where is that coming from and is that biased or not correct?

Chris Pastrana 32:09

And you know, when you talk about mandatory report, Right. Mm-hmm. . So who's monitoring the therapy sessions? , you know? Right. There's a lot of things there. Cause and, and you know, just to kick back to what you said, like we already know this is a controversy that's kind of popped up with chat, G p T, you know, like we, they know just because they typed in questions that chat, G B T is a fairly left-leaning, uh, program.

Mm-hmm. , so it is very heavily. Towards the left, and that's gonna be an issue like, Which programs and how are they generated? What worldview is it giving you that that stuff's gonna pop

Brandon Stephens 32:53

up? Yeah. Like it's more, people don't realize that with ai, and I mean, I like you, there's, there's. , this is what I look at. I actually don't use chat. If I use chat. G b T, it's for research purposes. Mm-hmm. and then I know it's subjective research, so I use it to feed me an idea that I then go research. Right. I don't use it to, to as an answer, if that makes sense. Yeah. And I know that because I thought so. I like. Most of the AI I use is an aggregator that learns over time.

Mm-hmm. of what to feed me based on the aggregation. Um, AI learning. Yeah. Right. Chat. G B T feeds you what it thinks you want based on its own agenda. And its like you said, left leaning. Yeah. Um, and based on its own knowledge base, because you can go in there are multi-program, so you can find them on feature tools where you can build your own chat. G P T. to feed you answers, then it learns from a database you give it. Yeah. Open AI has has just done that. It has created a database to feed you answers based off that database. It's just not a database you gave it, right? Yeah. So it's not aggregating you. Things on the internet. It's trying to give you the answers.

So there's a slew of people who came in. That's why, that's why it can be good or it could be harmful. You, you gotta use it as a, as a place to start your research, not a place to solidify your research. Yeah,

Chris Pastrana 34:26

yeah. Totally agree and always be aware of, like I said, be aware of. You know who made it. So I, this is something I learned back in college. Um, one of the few things I still remember to this day, . Mm-hmm. probably the only thing. And, uh, one of my statistics professors said, you know, always be aware of who's giving you the numbers. Right? And it's something like that you.

Brandon Stephens 34:48

Well, everybody manipulates things in their favor. It's, it's correct. That's why I say no matter what's a 50 50, it's a 50 50. It's correct. It's a 50 50. It's what you want. Yeah. It's a 50 50. You know why? Because everything you see is manipulated in the per, in the presenter's favor, period. Yeah, because would why wouldn't they? Yeah. Yeah. , everything has an agenda. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , that's just how, it's, it's life. And so AI is the same thing.

Esp, especially if you're using it for like tech space, like that, as the big companies, um, use it to push subconsciously or consciously, or whether you're aware or not, they use it to push, uh, as something behind the scenes. Yeah.

Chris Pastrana 35:31

Hm. Good stuff.

Brandon Stephens 35:34

Nice prompt engineers are gonna be a new job. That opens up heavily. I've seen that. Yeah. So I prompt engineers, so like people who get really good at knowing what to ask AI to get specific outcomes. Those are the new designers, the new company assistants, whatever, consultants, prompt engineers are a big

Chris Pastrana 35:51

thing. Yeah. I've noticed that even with, uh, mid journey, knowing what to put in is pretty important.

Brandon Stephens 36:00

Yep. And you know, you notice how, see that's the thing with every tool that's, that gets rid, that takes a job away from the market. Mm-hmm. opens up a new job for the market. Yeah. And usually that job is how to manage that tool. Yes.

Chris Pastrana 36:15

Yep. You know, we didn't have car mechanics until we had cars, you know?

Brandon Stephens 36:19

Right. Like, what do you, what? You gotta be a horse mechanic? Like, no. Well, you what? You have equivalent to that. You had the farmer took care of the horse. Yeah.

Chris Pastrana 36:29

I forget what those are called. There's an actual word for it. I forget

Brandon Stephens 36:31

ago. Whatever. I know. And then the horses have their own professional word for e E. Yeah, I forget what it's

Chris Pastrana 36:38

actually called,

Brandon Stephens 36:40

my mind over that,

Chris Pastrana 36:40

but yes. Oh yeah. That's gonna drive me absolutely crazy. But yeah, and like you said, all those pigeon handlers don't have jobs anymore, you know, cuz we don't have pigeons, , carrier pigeons, you know, and uh, let's see, person who cares for horses. Cause that's gonna drive me absolutely

Brandon Stephens 36:59

insane. It's like an EQ thing, what they call the horses. It's a professional word. I don't know what that thing.

Chris Pastrana 37:05

Yeah. grooms. That's a stupid name. What are ? Whatever. Anyway, it's not a big deal. Um, yeah, stable person, whatever. But yeah, so it's a huge future for all of this and I'm really excited. Um, . So yeah, let's wrap up there. We're about 45 minutes in, so how do people get a hold of you, buddy?

Brandon Stephens 37:29

Uh, just find me right now. We're going through a lot of, uh, there's a lot of updates we'll talk about next month I'm going on. So for right now, just find me on any social media channel at Ask Cody a s k c o t y and message me, and that's where you can find me at the.

Chris Pastrana 37:45

Cool. Awesome. And then you can find me on, like I said, pretty much every social media platform has Pastrana Enterprises. Um, so that's flexwerk, American entrepreneur, um, strike for your clothing, NH tent and uh, all that. So we have a lot going on, a lot of good things going on for 2023. I'm really excited to see everything grow mm-hmm. and yeah. So I'm looking forward to that moving forward. All right. So that's it. So thank you everyone for listening and uh, we'll catch you all next month.